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	<title>Comments on: Not So Kwik: The Apu Dilemma (Postscript)</title>
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		<title>By: Skepticus</title>
		<link>http://greatganesha.com/2007/07/18/not-so-kwik-the-apu-dilemma-postscript/comment-page-1/#comment-630</link>
		<dc:creator>Skepticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for getting on your nerves here (although I have to admit, I am kind of enjoying it).  Let me clarify.  The answer to my question is not explicitly stated in the post or the comments, because there are some significant differences between the two issues, which is why I&#039;m pressing you on it.

I know where you stand on the Apu issue.  That is not the issue I am asking you to comment on or asking you to explain any further.  

However, re-reading the posts above gives me no inkling on your take on the Jewish proboscis issue.  I&#039;m merely asking whether or not you consider Halle Berry&#039;s comment offensive.  If you do find it offensive, just say so, case closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for getting on your nerves here (although I have to admit, I am kind of enjoying it).  Let me clarify.  The answer to my question is not explicitly stated in the post or the comments, because there are some significant differences between the two issues, which is why I&#8217;m pressing you on it.</p>
<p>I know where you stand on the Apu issue.  That is not the issue I am asking you to comment on or asking you to explain any further.  </p>
<p>However, re-reading the posts above gives me no inkling on your take on the Jewish proboscis issue.  I&#8217;m merely asking whether or not you consider Halle Berry&#8217;s comment offensive.  If you do find it offensive, just say so, case closed.</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Ganesha</title>
		<link>http://greatganesha.com/2007/07/18/not-so-kwik-the-apu-dilemma-postscript/comment-page-1/#comment-629</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Ganesha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i suggest you read things more carefully. i reiterate: the response to your comment can be found in the above post and all of the comments below it.  &quot;different&quot; does not mean &quot;it&#039;s ok&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i suggest you read things more carefully. i reiterate: the response to your comment can be found in the above post and all of the comments below it.  &#8220;different&#8221; does not mean &#8220;it&#8217;s ok&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Skepticus</title>
		<link>http://greatganesha.com/2007/07/18/not-so-kwik-the-apu-dilemma-postscript/comment-page-1/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Skepticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it isn&#039;t - hence the question.  From some of your comments I would think that it would be ok to make fun of Jews since they&#039;re integrated into American society and well-known.   But then again, given your comments on respect and dignity and CK&#039;s &quot;we&#039;re not going to take it anymore&quot; rants, I would think it would be quite unacceptable.  

On a lighter note, I happened to mention the whole thing to one of my male Jewish friends last night.  When I told him that Halle Berry said the picture &quot;looked like her Jewish cousin&quot; his eyes lit up - &quot;She has a Jewish Cousin? Really?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it isn&#8217;t &#8211; hence the question.  From some of your comments I would think that it would be ok to make fun of Jews since they&#8217;re integrated into American society and well-known.   But then again, given your comments on respect and dignity and CK&#8217;s &#8220;we&#8217;re not going to take it anymore&#8221; rants, I would think it would be quite unacceptable.  </p>
<p>On a lighter note, I happened to mention the whole thing to one of my male Jewish friends last night.  When I told him that Halle Berry said the picture &#8220;looked like her Jewish cousin&#8221; his eyes lit up &#8211; &#8220;She has a Jewish Cousin? Really?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Ganesha</title>
		<link>http://greatganesha.com/2007/07/18/not-so-kwik-the-apu-dilemma-postscript/comment-page-1/#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Ganesha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the response to your comment can be found in the above post and all of the comments below it. sorry dude, i don&#039;t have the time or the energy to regurgitate things again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the response to your comment can be found in the above post and all of the comments below it. sorry dude, i don&#8217;t have the time or the energy to regurgitate things again.</p>
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		<title>By: Skepticus</title>
		<link>http://greatganesha.com/2007/07/18/not-so-kwik-the-apu-dilemma-postscript/comment-page-1/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>Skepticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I love to beat dead horses, I think this one&#039;s not quite dead yet.  A recent controversy brought back some memories.  Halle Berry got into a media tussle after making a comment about a photo of her that had been digitally altered to make her have a big nose.  She said she looked Jewish, and was forced to apologize.   

Given the opinions expressed on this page, I would have to assume that most of you would get your panties in a twist on this one.   Or is that kind of reaction only reserved for when it hits close to home?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7060165.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I love to beat dead horses, I think this one&#8217;s not quite dead yet.  A recent controversy brought back some memories.  Halle Berry got into a media tussle after making a comment about a photo of her that had been digitally altered to make her have a big nose.  She said she looked Jewish, and was forced to apologize.   </p>
<p>Given the opinions expressed on this page, I would have to assume that most of you would get your panties in a twist on this one.   Or is that kind of reaction only reserved for when it hits close to home?</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7060165.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7060165.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Manish</title>
		<link>http://greatganesha.com/2007/07/18/not-so-kwik-the-apu-dilemma-postscript/comment-page-1/#comment-512</link>
		<dc:creator>Manish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;every Indian I know absolutely LOVES the film (including the ones who come closest in demeanor and accent to Hrundi V. Bakshi).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Birdie num-num don&#039;t speak for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>every Indian I know absolutely LOVES the film (including the ones who come closest in demeanor and accent to Hrundi V. Bakshi).</p></blockquote>
<p>Birdie num-num don&#8217;t speak for me.</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Ganesha</title>
		<link>http://greatganesha.com/2007/07/18/not-so-kwik-the-apu-dilemma-postscript/comment-page-1/#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Ganesha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good comments. brilliantly said, ck (as usual). i liked, in particular:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem with Indians is that we take too much crap that?s handed to us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

i think you just nailed it right there. this is the problem in a nutshell. and this is why i think we should all be shouting about it. and loudly. not accepting it because we want to show that we have a sense of humor, and not justifying it by saying it&#039;s not a big deal. because both of those (imho) are cop-outs. a friend of mine frequently says that indians have an infinite capacity for abuse. why the fuck should we? enough is enough.

and yes, i remember the scientist from &lt;i&gt;short circuit&lt;/i&gt;. and, coincidentally, i have also met him (fisher stevens). and neither did he start doing the bud bud ding ding accent, nor did i pelt him with stale dosas. he was, actually, quite a nice guy. go figure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good comments. brilliantly said, ck (as usual). i liked, in particular:</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem with Indians is that we take too much crap that?s handed to us.</p></blockquote>
<p>i think you just nailed it right there. this is the problem in a nutshell. and this is why i think we should all be shouting about it. and loudly. not accepting it because we want to show that we have a sense of humor, and not justifying it by saying it&#8217;s not a big deal. because both of those (imho) are cop-outs. a friend of mine frequently says that indians have an infinite capacity for abuse. why the fuck should we? enough is enough.</p>
<p>and yes, i remember the scientist from <i>short circuit</i>. and, coincidentally, i have also met him (fisher stevens). and neither did he start doing the bud bud ding ding accent, nor did i pelt him with stale dosas. he was, actually, quite a nice guy. go figure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Chapatikid</title>
		<link>http://greatganesha.com/2007/07/18/not-so-kwik-the-apu-dilemma-postscript/comment-page-1/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>The Chapatikid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 05:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and also, Nikhil, it&#039;s not about having the bigness to laugh at ourselves. The problem with Indians is that we take too much crap that&#039;s handed to us. The bigotry we face in North America today is not as explicit as many other minorities have historically faced, but that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s any less demeaning. And if we&#039;re just going to shut up about it and laugh at it, then sadly, it&#039;s always going to go on.

Somebody has to take a stand and say that&#039;s enough, instead of being typically Indian and slipping under the radar, and taking the abuse, and then pulling out the rug from under the Americans by going and opening a call center back home. Come to think of it, Indians are really good at being subversive, aren&#039;t they?

I don&#039;t understand why we can be a diaspora of such intelligent and well-educated people,  and yet allow ourselves to be pilloried by an ignorant public, who only do it out of their own insecurity. Xenophobia = fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and also, Nikhil, it&#8217;s not about having the bigness to laugh at ourselves. The problem with Indians is that we take too much crap that&#8217;s handed to us. The bigotry we face in North America today is not as explicit as many other minorities have historically faced, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s any less demeaning. And if we&#8217;re just going to shut up about it and laugh at it, then sadly, it&#8217;s always going to go on.</p>
<p>Somebody has to take a stand and say that&#8217;s enough, instead of being typically Indian and slipping under the radar, and taking the abuse, and then pulling out the rug from under the Americans by going and opening a call center back home. Come to think of it, Indians are really good at being subversive, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why we can be a diaspora of such intelligent and well-educated people,  and yet allow ourselves to be pilloried by an ignorant public, who only do it out of their own insecurity. Xenophobia = fear.</p>
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		<title>By: The Chapatikid</title>
		<link>http://greatganesha.com/2007/07/18/not-so-kwik-the-apu-dilemma-postscript/comment-page-1/#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator>The Chapatikid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 05:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite the debate here. Almost every American dude I&#039;ve met thinks he has the right to imitate Apu for me. He thinks he does a really good Indian accent. Sometimes, when I talk, he&#039;ll repeat what I say back, and not in my accent either. But he&#039;s so tone deaf, it all sounds the same. I don&#039;t sound like Apu at all. Or that other guy from Short Circuit. I don&#039;t know if you all remember, but before Apu, it was that scientist guy from the 80s. In Canada, people think I&#039;m Jamaican because of the way I talk. You sing, they say. But there are still white dudes here who  like to make the feather-dot joke. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve heard that.

I hate prejudice. I hate when people are so dumb that they don&#039;t know the difference between Hindi and Hindu. But sadly, I&#039;m also guilty of stereotyping myself. When I was at my small university in the States, I thought all white people looked the same. I couldn&#039;t tell Rob from Andy, or Dave from Jon. It took me two years to get the names right.

Those prejudiced Americans who shouted slurs in the cinema have Dog in the Manger syndrome. They hate that Indians took the jobs they never wanted in the first place. Can&#039;t bitch now. Too damn late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite the debate here. Almost every American dude I&#8217;ve met thinks he has the right to imitate Apu for me. He thinks he does a really good Indian accent. Sometimes, when I talk, he&#8217;ll repeat what I say back, and not in my accent either. But he&#8217;s so tone deaf, it all sounds the same. I don&#8217;t sound like Apu at all. Or that other guy from Short Circuit. I don&#8217;t know if you all remember, but before Apu, it was that scientist guy from the 80s. In Canada, people think I&#8217;m Jamaican because of the way I talk. You sing, they say. But there are still white dudes here who  like to make the feather-dot joke. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve heard that.</p>
<p>I hate prejudice. I hate when people are so dumb that they don&#8217;t know the difference between Hindi and Hindu. But sadly, I&#8217;m also guilty of stereotyping myself. When I was at my small university in the States, I thought all white people looked the same. I couldn&#8217;t tell Rob from Andy, or Dave from Jon. It took me two years to get the names right.</p>
<p>Those prejudiced Americans who shouted slurs in the cinema have Dog in the Manger syndrome. They hate that Indians took the jobs they never wanted in the first place. Can&#8217;t bitch now. Too damn late.</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Ganesha</title>
		<link>http://greatganesha.com/2007/07/18/not-so-kwik-the-apu-dilemma-postscript/comment-page-1/#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Ganesha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wish i could share your optimism, but i&#039;m not even whether a majority of of joe/jane q. public even know that bose is indian.

in fact, it&#039;s not unrealistic to even picture  one of them shout &quot;thank you, come again&quot; to him as they  pass him on the street, while they listen to bose headphones.

if racism were based on something as rational as societal contribution, then the holocaust would never have happened (not that i&#039;m comparing this to the holocaust, just bringing it up to make a point).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wish i could share your optimism, but i&#8217;m not even whether a majority of of joe/jane q. public even know that bose is indian.</p>
<p>in fact, it&#8217;s not unrealistic to even picture  one of them shout &#8220;thank you, come again&#8221; to him as they  pass him on the street, while they listen to bose headphones.</p>
<p>if racism were based on something as rational as societal contribution, then the holocaust would never have happened (not that i&#8217;m comparing this to the holocaust, just bringing it up to make a point).</p>
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